Why Christians care about gay Marriage

Or I guess the title could be why I, as a Christian, think other Christians care about gay marriage (still working on this what gives you the right to speak for Christians) From what I gather there are 3 schools of thought, some take a stand probably as a combination of these, possibly less “strongly” active in some or more areas.

1. God established marriage, so thus changing it into something which he didn’t establish as right (one man, one woman) is disrespectful to him and therefore should be opposed

2. The Bible preaches against Homosexuality and therefore Gay marriage (gay anything really) shouldn’t be allowed. Just stop doing what you are doing and become straight

3. Homosexual sex is a sin (along with fornication, adultery, lying etc.) once people establish themselves in that pattern of living, and make that their identity, they then, have either don’t think of it as sin (or just don’t care that) The “who I am offends you?!” gives them a distaste for Christianity and makes sharing the good news seem impossible. Even more so breaching the gulf and becoming a Christian.

Any guesses as to what school of thought I’m in? Yep the 3rd one (hence the long definition.) It’s a harder jump for anyone identifying as gay to recieve the gospel as whole when it condemns what and who they are and who they want to be. Either they reject the gospel as whole, or find a church that has translationized Homosexual sin to not be a sin (which I don’t agree with.) Here’s the issue, it’s all about identity don’t you see? It’s about receiving your identity in Christ and making that who you are. (Before you condemn me for being a hetrosexual married female preaching and not practicing, hear me out.) There are many “identities” I wear. Woman, creative, dog-lover, outdoorsy, frugal. I am many things but I am a follower of Christ first. If something I identified and labeled myself as, became a hinderance in obediance to God, I would cut it out. It’s not worth it.

Ok so my thoughts on the other 2 schools

1. Basically, marriage as it stands today isn’t really about God anymore. It’s become about tax breaks, descision making in times of trial or death and public commitment and/or a party. None of those things are bad, but back in the garden of Eden when God started marriage none of those things had any bearings, it was about unity. Plain and simple. So as long as Christian ministers and pastors aren’t being forced to perform marriage ceremonies for anyone with whom they don’t agree with. Then I don’t care who marries who. I don’t think God is more saddened by Gay marriage than he is by Kim Kardashian’s short (seemingly) sham of a marriage and her obvious fornicating ways.

2. I agree that Homosexual sex is a sin, however, I think that trying to stop gay marriage from being passed and trying to “scare straight” anyone who is gay is well, pointless. It’s a symptom of a greater problem. That greater problem is sin in this world as a result of us falling away from God’ plan for our lives. the symptoms are all over the place. in the media, in our broken relationships, everywhere. Focusing on this flambouyant sin in particular and seeming to ignore all others is like this

Matthew 7:2-4  For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

We need to work on our own sins, all the while loving our neighbor, speaking the truth in love and really try to be a light to this world. All the heated debates against gay marriage make that difficult. It’s hard to put into concise words sometimes as well. It’s presented like, Either you love us/support us/ believe in everything we do/ have no qualms or problems whatsoever or you hate us and want us to die or be exiled. um what? Do I get a third option? Can’t I love you and pray that you find your identity in Christ and he show’s you his plan for life, shows you what this whole struggle with your sexuality is all about while disagreeing with you that being gay is a-ok and right? Can’t I say that God isn’t smiling down on it but loving you despite it?

ok </ rant>

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Sexual by design: my thoughts

As per my last post hopefully you have watched the videos, I know it’s time consuming but well, this post just won’t make as much sense otherwise. Link to 3 videos HERE.

If you don’t have time to watch, he gave a short summery of the lectures on his site.

“I gave two talks, the first on creation sexuality and the second on redemption sexuality. The first was about what I call pomosexuality — if you believe the universe is infinitely malleable, then a demand for malleable sexualities is inevitable. If you believe that the God of creation established fixed limits, then we should rejoice and serve Him (sexually) within those limits. The second talk, on redemption sexuality, was about Mary Magdalene, and was about how God the Father arranged for His divine Son to marry a prostitute.”

The Q&A is hard to summarize because well, it’s all over the place in terms of questions, Several things stuck out to me while watching the videos

  1. I hadn’t heard the comparison of one’s belief in evolution (infinitely malleable) tie in to sexuality, but it makes sense
  2. Male and female together make the image of God, tying in man and woman unity together with the trinity unity
  3. The flu analogy, genius. So true, why try to get non-Christians to behave like christians without the basis for doing so? Heathens that act like christians are still going to hell…

    Ephesians 2:8-9  For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. 

  4. I couldn’t imagine putting myself out there and keeping my cool amidst blatant disrespect and slander, I had to pause a few times, it was just sooo uncomfotable to watch
  5. The rude cat-calling, heckling and interrupting was childish. They are at a university after all, most of the people asking questions disagreed with Doug anyways, is respectful debate completely gone? Must we resort to crude language to get points across? It was amazingly aggravating. Oh, I think “police brutality” should be reserved for legitimate case, escorting someone out of the building who is resisting, isn’t brutality IMO.
  6. Kudos to Doug for separating love, feelings and sex. They aren’t the same thing

Overall I thought that he really did try to talk through God’s view on sex and us. I loved the analagy of The church being the bride of Christ was a dispeptuable woman, only made pure. Not this perfect pure person to begin with which was why he chose her. Which also makes me think of this video which a fellow blogger recently reminded me of

That’s the point, we’re all sinners. Once we are saved we really need to recognize God’ overall plan and that is when we start making changes! Anyways I’m sure there is more thoughts I’ll think up, I plan to have addendums to this rant later on, takes a little while to process ya know?

Why are you writing this blog

I feel like it’s all inside, bubbling out. I’m terrified to start debates, talking about it at work (unsked, unsolicited) seems odd, even though other people have no problem talking to each other. I’m terrified to blast over my facebook. It’s pretty heated dinner table conversation  By nature I’m anti-confrontational, I feel like I’m not smart enough, not researched enough, don’t know greek etc. etc. It’s intimidating to “get into” such polarizing arguments. Even though. I truly believe it all boils down to What does the Bible say.

And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10

SO awesome, guess I don’t need a theology dress after all. Because I have the power of Christ dwelling in me. But this is the beginning, As I age I do hope to continue to grow spiritually, learn, research and find more of a “voice.” But right now, I’m feeling good about saying what I want to say in an anonymous way. So hear that world?! I have some convictions and I’m gonna talk er type about them.

“what gives you the right to speak”

Well, I do have the right of free speech. Although I recently watched a video in which a Pastor addresses diversity and communication and said (half in jest) there seems to be 2 tenants  1. Absolute commitment to free speech 2. shut up. This is something I have experienced personally.  An attitude of “if you agree with me, say something, if you don’t ‘shut up & stop imposing your beliefs'”, as if my words are going to drag someone down a path they don’t want to go.

As far as my background goes. I was raised Christian, which (also from my experience) seem to give me less klout. Sometimes it feels as though people are thinking I’m a brainwashed, sheltered nobody who “was raised” this way and therefore lost her ability to think for herself. Which is insulting, first of all, and not true. Show me an adult Christian that hasn’t thought through what it means to be one, regardless of upbringing. We live in a world that, let’s be honest, would be amazingly easier to roll with the norms. To not cause a rukus, to agree with the “universal” train of thought. It’s not easy being a Christian and if you think it is. I invite you to come try it. anytime.

I was raised Christian, non-denominational. Plain Christian. Once I got a little I began to gradually “come into my own” I guess, become more responsible for my own life and decisions. And now, I daily make that choice to continue. I wholeheartedly believe that everything the Bible says is true and that Jesus did in fact die for my sins, he made the ultimate sacrifice and he never promised that this life is easy. I won’t stop following him just because it’s hard. I will say that having a Christian family does lessen the dinner table debates somewhat, which I am grateful for.

Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.”